Hi I am new to this community I love PureData and I manage to program something with it which is very satisfying but at the same time very intensive as there is very little documentation about it.

anywy I often referred to this community which is awesome but I come across a major drawback when trying to work on my project:

everytime I look for something it always refers to PD-Extended while the version I have is PD-Vanilla.

It seem like there is a war of the world between the two versions with PD-Extended which fixed many drawbacks of Vanilla but for some reason it's been dismissed. This is from my understanding.

I see there are lot of things which are missing and are way more difficult in PD-Vanilla and I wonder where should I stand in this case.

Things like accessing GPIO, sending Instruction to Terminal (Shell), Graphic part (GEM?), general interaction and object are way better in the extended or at least it seem so, including the ability to export as an application.

For what I understand you should be able to install the same functions in Vanilla but I can't figure out how.

I don't think this does good to PureData Community especially as it push backs new users from using it. I literally spent days trying to figure out things which where ultra easy with the Extended version.

Why do we have this situation and what's the greater good in this?

PureData is an old language for my understanding so what's the issue to discard such an important development and standard as PD-Extended?

in the guide is says I should be able to download v00-extended to match the versions but it doesn't exists...
why are we in this mess? Half of the patches in this community don't work in Vanilla and I don't know what to use for my development

thank you and welcome

@Ayskura Welcome PD extended is outdated since a long time. Best to use the current vanillla Version, and download needed externals with Deken (then most of the patches you find in this forum will work with vanilla too). A good starting point regarding documentation are the help files. I am sure there are other documentations that work with vanilla too... I would also recommend just to use externals if there is no vanilla solution (or just hacky / too complicated), but that is a matter of taste.

@Ayskura You can go to Help -> Find externals (called Deken) to install the externals you need. Everything you find online should work with this.

@Ayskura There could be another Extended one day when all the old libraries have been updated to 64-bit.
The clever people that wrote them are older now and have less time or are uninterested but they are arriving in Deken (Menu / Help / Find Externals) quite rapidly lately.
The tutorials were mostly written back then when extended really was the best version, and have only very rarely been updated.

If you are running windows there is still a portable version of the last Extended (2013) which you can run "anywhere" and will not interfere with your Vanilla Pd unless you put the same paths in both.....
http://puredata.info/downloads/pd-extended
David.

I'm also fairly new to PD and have been struggling with this. My biggest issue is that when I open a patch and find that it contains an obsolete object that doesn't work in vanilla, the external that might substitute for this obsolete object often has a different name, and there isn't a list anywhere I can find that can tell me which externals replace which obsolete extended objects. Can anyone help by directing me to this list, if it exists? It's hard to find the right external for the job.

@Dizzy-Dizzy it might be a good idea to create some kind of database of pd objects. However to my knowledge the only externals that don't work quite as well as they used to are [hid] and Gem.

@Dizzy-Dizzy Lucarda has done a lot of work updating externals for Deken....... and also updated the list of extended externals 3 years ago....... https://puredata.info/docs/ListOfPdExternals/
If you look for the object you need on that page then you will see in italics the name of the library that contains the object. Sometimes they exist in more than one library but usually have the same function.
Of course many other libraries now exist that did not when extended was released (2013)....... and some of those may contain externals with the same name. But that list is for the original libraries.
David.

For me, it's not so much replacing externals (hid, Gen), as trying to work out which vanilla-friendly externals can perform the same function as obsolete objects in extended. Some kind of cross-referenced list would be invaluable!

David, sorry, I hadn't updated my browser before I posted my last comment and didn't see your response. That list is extremely useful, thank you for directing me to it, and for explaining the italics, it's a great, if not definitive, reference!