Hi all,

when i create an abstraction with controls in it and then load it into a parent patch i am not able to view any of the controls in the parent patch that are in the abstraction.

Can anyone advise on a reason for this issue? Is it a known problem with plugdata itself or am i missing something?

Images and the abstraction patch are available below

Cheers

NM

SFPlayer.pd

@NuttyMonk If PlugData acts like PureData than the GOP will not be visible while the subpatch is open, close the subpatch and see if that helps. Failing that it seems a PlugData bug, the GOP works fine in PureData once the subpatch is closed.

@oid closing the subpatch doesn't help. Must be an error in plugdata

Graph-on-parent is fine in PlugData. (Editorial comment: PlugData is a much-needed effort to move Pd's UI away from three-decades-old standards... assuming that it's wrong just because it's new IMO contributes to stasis, which is not healthy for the platform.)

The problem is in the structure of your patch.

sfplayer.pd is not a graph-on-parent patch. I can see this by opening it in regular Pd, and right clicking on the empty space --> Properties. The graph-on-parent property is not selected at the top level. So there is no reason for either Pd or PlugData to display it as graph-on-parent, when it isn't.

Inside that patch, you have a graph-on-parent subpatch. This is misleading you into thinking that you have done graph-on-parent, when you haven't. (But then, the GUIs are not in the subpatch either!)

Now, I do see an unfortunate limitation in PlugData: I don't see right away how to get to the graph-on-parent property. I expected right-click empty space --> Properties to show the canvas properties, but it doesn't. AFAICS then, to create a graph-on-parent abstraction, it looks like you will have to use normal Pd first.

Here is sfplayer with graph-on-parent defined at the top level.

sfplayer.pd

hjh

@ddw_music

Thanks for checking this. I was confused about not being able to access the properties page myself but thought i was just mistaken as i'm new to plugdata and puredata

After opening the .pd file in a text editor i can see the piece of code which is used for setting the GOP on or off.

#X coords 0 -1 1 1 100 110 1 264 76;

It's the last 1 before the value 264.

I've changed it to a 0 and it changes the value for GOP in puredata from ON to OFF.

100 is X Size
110 is Y Size
264 is X Margin
76 is Y Margin

At least i can just do a workaround with this now.

Cheers

NM

Cool! Yes, hacking the flag in the text file would work too.

A bit later, I'll check the PlugData bug tracker to see if this issue about canvas properties has been filed.

hjh

@NuttyMonk You can also send the [coords......( message to the window, rather than hacking the patch file... if you wish...... gop_switch_coords.pd
David.

PlugData does have GraphOnParent under the + symbol at the top (or ctrl+shift+G) which produces an empty GOP subpatch that work perfectly and is sizable rectangle, right click this to open and edit

@Balwyn said:

PlugData does have GraphOnParent under the + symbol at the top (or ctrl+shift+G) which produces an empty GOP subpatch...

Ah, that's probably how the original poster got into trouble... The topic is about graph on parent abstractions, not subpatches. For that, you need access to the file's top level canvas properties.

hjh

I had a quick chat on the Git page for plugdata which helped a lot.

https://github.com/plugdata-team/plugdata/issues/846

I just created a blank patch in puredata with GOP turned on. I can now use this as an abstraction template in plugdata when i want to have controls in the parent patch.

Thanks for all your help.

NM