@willblackhurst " snaphot " never makes any sense to anybody trying to get an accurate number. because there isnt really a number to look at somehow. so whats going on between an array list - and snapshot, why doesnt it just use the array numbers? or give you exact numbers at exact times etc etc.

I heard you wouldnt need tilda then . because all you would do is read the numbers as usual. and that its because your computer was never fast enough to do it so theyve put a ramming mechanism that just shoves the array through at a constant rate.

how do they work? I dont really know.

@willblackhurst tilda is like a wave on top thats from somewhere in your computer/voltage. so it needs a matching system with the tilda voltage syncronized I guess.

so if you print it out , it doesnt make a smooth list of numbers? if youre using line tilda~
it needs to be multiplied with a tilda multiplier ~ Ive seen that I can hook a regular multiply into my volume fader line for scaling the output and then I get a slight distortion. so then I switched to multiply tilda and its better. otherwise you should do the grain number. and test different combinations .

I sorted out "hid"/object so it might work easier now I havnt seen it working before.
this was with a xbox/ looking controler. I got for 10 bucks.
https://patchstorage.com/hidi-midi-joystick-cannon-game-pd-vanilla-gem-pmpd-hid/

I made a small pmpd game pd file
https://patchstorage.com/hidi-midi-joystick-cannon-game-pd-vanilla-gem-pmpd-hid/

pmpd_cannon1.pd

if you make " f box $0 " and then check the inside of the f box youll get a number . so $0array is actually called maybe 1002array . and then you sen the data into 1002array.. but you have to check the number because it might be different it doesnt always stay the same number.

also this is how to use savestate with $0
https://patchstorage.com/savestate-plus-0-array-save-pd-vanilla/

they need their own name / per array to save the data. you could output the array as a txt file and read it back in when you open it.

got it to cut off the joystick from the mouse and the hid still works and the regular mouse still works. so it works totally now! linux mx is the only one Ive evr really used before.

I got "hid" hid-help to open device 15 on a playstation2-3 looking usb 2-analog stick. it gets the numbers from both analog sticks and 8-10 buttons. the last issue is that my mouse is actually still moving around because it also is using the joystick at the same time.

I just tried an akai "mpk mini play" it has a red joystick thing and a keyboard and 8 drum pads. The midi that comes out of it isnt really good for an actual joystick its a mess.

im finding them here for like 25 bucks

its referenced somewhere in gem. or a joystick is called a hid. maybe. I looked through the librry quickly , I dont understand what a device is maybe. I dont know if it only works on certain devices etc.. Im looking for midi becauise it seems to work best on vanilla. If you have any working examples with hid Id look at it .

a folder of images played one at a time with regular image map, does work. . mp2 it says works, but I havnt seen it. mp2 is like old .avi

this video has delread and delwrite

I have the nanopad2 running into midi here with visuals
https://patchstorage.com/midi-joystick-nanopad2-joystick-for-pd/

I want a joystick for making video games. so I think midi really would be the easiest. So how hard is it really to get a ps4 or xbox or switch to send midi to pd vanilla. The korg nanopad2 has a xy grid on the left I can use for a analog stick and buttons on the right. it plugs in without drivers and works . Id like playstation or switch or xbox thing to do that as well. Im not really into extra programs to add to the setup Im looking for simple midi.
thanks so maybe something the same shape of a commercial joystick.

you could just skip the line object and use a triangle / slope formula.