got it to cut off the joystick from the mouse and the hid still works and the regular mouse still works. so it works totally now! linux mx is the only one Ive evr really used before.

I got "hid" hid-help to open device 15 on a playstation2-3 looking usb 2-analog stick. it gets the numbers from both analog sticks and 8-10 buttons. the last issue is that my mouse is actually still moving around because it also is using the joystick at the same time.

I just tried an akai "mpk mini play" it has a red joystick thing and a keyboard and 8 drum pads. The midi that comes out of it isnt really good for an actual joystick its a mess.

im finding them here for like 25 bucks

its referenced somewhere in gem. or a joystick is called a hid. maybe. I looked through the librry quickly , I dont understand what a device is maybe. I dont know if it only works on certain devices etc.. Im looking for midi becauise it seems to work best on vanilla. If you have any working examples with hid Id look at it .

a folder of images played one at a time with regular image map, does work. . mp2 it says works, but I havnt seen it. mp2 is like old .avi

this video has delread and delwrite

I have the nanopad2 running into midi here with visuals
https://patchstorage.com/midi-joystick-nanopad2-joystick-for-pd/

I want a joystick for making video games. so I think midi really would be the easiest. So how hard is it really to get a ps4 or xbox or switch to send midi to pd vanilla. The korg nanopad2 has a xy grid on the left I can use for a analog stick and buttons on the right. it plugs in without drivers and works . Id like playstation or switch or xbox thing to do that as well. Im not really into extra programs to add to the setup Im looking for simple midi.
thanks so maybe something the same shape of a commercial joystick.

you could just skip the line object and use a triangle / slope formula.