Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well. I have been trying to find ways to use PD as a vst inside Ableton to save some CPU and do it via virtual cables. So I found this VST called Camomile that should be doing it: https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/11242/camomile-v1-0-1-an-audio-plugin-with-pure-data-embedded. I downloaded it and moved the .VST3 and .dll files to their respectful locations and when I open ableton it says that it couldn't load the plug in. I was wondering if anyone has used this with ableton or is there any other alternatives

@NegativeOne I made two 64 bit windows vst3 plugins using Camomile/Pd and sent them to my friend to test in his environment (Ableton) and he said they worked. Both plugins used sidechains. That same friend says that Max for Live was included in his Ableton distribution. He's never used it though; coding is not his thing. Did you follow the step-by-step instructions on the Camomile wiki?

@jameslo Well I followed the step by step how to generate plug-in with one of the examples which worked, but when I try to do the same with one of my PD patches it won't work. I suppose I need to generate / code a .txt file as well? I have no idea of coding.

@NegativeOne Yes, if your plug-in in named "niceEffect" then in addition to creating a Pd patch named "niceEffect.pd" you have to create a text configuration file named "niceEffect.txt" which tells Camomile what parameters your patch uses, how to connect input and output to it, whether it uses MIDI, whether it is an effect or an instrument plug-in, etc. It's all described in detail in the section "How to create new plugins".

@jameslo Ah, now it makes sense! I'm afraid my patches are far too complex and my script writing skills are zero to try to understand what to do, I tried, but I didn't understand most of the things. Thank you for clarifying it though.

@jameslo Am I right in thinking you put the dll, lib or vst3 (renamed?) in the folder with the patch (text file and so on) for Windows? ...and then add the folder to your plugins directory?
Rather than editing a renamed package's contents and relocating it as on Mac?

It's implied in the wiki but it seems to just stop at stage 6 for Windows/Linux when the Mac instructions continue, which I guess could confuse people.

@lead Yes. Here is what one of my plugins looks like on my Windows machine:

One word: PlugData.

https://github.com/plugdata-team/plugdata/releases

Works seamlessly with Reaper and I've no reason to believe it would be any worse with Ableton.

It's based on Camomile, just that the hard stuff has already been done for you.

hjh