@whale-av HannahGen has got to be a bot, right?

@willblackhurst A million years ago I tried to interface a Wacom tablet to Pd and remember trying to find a version of [hid] that would work for my machine without success. I've never heard of a nanopad2 until now, but if I needed an x/y interface for a show that was breathing down my neck, I'd jump on it for $79 and its simple MIDI interface, Everything has a cost; it's either your money, or your time. Or both. That said, I'd be happy to be schooled on how to use [hid].

@avenir Look! I know Italian!

Here's what I mean. All the connections in the shaded area are 2 channel snakes, so you only have to multiply, throw~, and catch~ once. But the other way works too.

@crttrkix I think you're still a little off WRT subpatches, and I'm enjoying the crazy c++ metaphors, so I'll continue as if you asked a question . In Pd, an abstraction is like function, and since it's in a separate file, it's like a function in a separate compilation unit that has to be linked in (or in Pd's case, loaded). But a subpatch is more like bracketed code--not that it introduces a new scope (it doesn't, e.g. $0 is the same value inside and outside of a subpatch) but that it's really just a graph that's been hidden except for its inputs and outputs. That's why [pd mySubpatch-$1] is just a renaming of the subpatch--it's just a labelled section of code.

@avenir FYI, you know how you are applying the grain envelope to the output of snake~, 1 for each channel? You could also just apply it to the snake once and it affects both channels. That's the point of snake~--to help reduce uninteresting duplication.

@avenir No, you can duplicate the tabread4~ objects each with its own table, or you can use one tabread4~ object and specify 2 tables to read from, in which case the output of tabread4~ is a snake. Look at tabread4~ help and click on the multichannel support subpatch.

@avenir said:

My idea is to duplicate the existing array and the corresponding tabread4~ object

Yep, that's the right approach. [soundfiler] can fill the left and right channel tables in one call, and if you want, you could also specify left and right tables for a single tabread4~ object, and then the output would be a 2 channel snake (see [snake~]).

@avenir I think you might have uploaded the wrong patches. I only see one array called "source-array" and only one mono tabread4~ object.

@crttrkix
I don't 100% understand what @whale-av wrote, so this response may just repeat an idea @whale-av already gave you. But maybe not. I agree that

all you have done is change the name of the sub-patch.

So why not instead change the name of an object within your subpatch using the argument to the enclosing abstraction? The analogy isn't perfect, but it's sort of like passing a function pointer, and the weird object inside the abstraction is like an abstract superclass but for a single function. OMG that was too complicated to be helpful

@dreamer I'm not so much scared of the concept of a chat room as I am incredulous that that would be the preferred format for technical discussions. Over here, people apologize for digressing and sometimes have a hard time following along! OK, let's see if anyone over there lectures me about cross-posting

Edit: I immediately got my answer from that scary chaotic place known as Discord . Use [plugin_latency].

Edit 2: But that object doesn't exist in v0.8.3, and I can't get v0.9.2 to work in REAPER. MIDI doesn't seem to be passed out of the plugdata to the next VST properly.