@oid not better

@FFW try this, open ffw-test.pd and see if it expands on mouse over and shrinks when the mouse leaves. Restart pd before opening it just in case you have one of those weird things going on caused by a confused instance of pd. This should work,
Archive.zip
Edit: if it doesn't work, what version of pd are you running?

OK got it: setting the "gop mode" to zero is not enough, it has to be set with the large dimensions and then it can be shrink without ghosts.

And then it works with [coords( too.

EDIT: I've fixed it with a list: