Hi,
I'm trying to send on/off data from a patch in pd to a single row grid in mobmuplat but for some reason It's not working. The input/ output console in mobmuplat shows the data coming in but for some reason it's coming in as floats instead of integers which is strange because in pd's console the message shows up as integers.

I notice on the mobmuplat website it just says that the grid input will take:

"a trio of numbers to set a grid cell: cellX, cell Y, value (0 or 1)."

Then when I click on one of the grid boxes in the mobmuplat editor it shows the output from the grid is: -

/moment0 0 0 1

(the target grid cell is called moment0)

So this matches up with what I've got printing in the pd console but for some reason the numbers convert to floating points when they enter mobmuplat. And nothing happens to the grid GUI element

I understand that this isn't a mobmuplat forum but I didn't know where else to ask. There isn't really much support out there for it from what I can see.
Thanks

which patch do you use to send via osc to mmpEditor ?

I open the pdwrapper.pd first... then the patch which I'm working on. then I send the message via [send toGUI].

exactly as it looks in the screenshot. I forgot to mention... I can send data to toggles and sliders in mobmuplat without any issue. that's what makes me think it's something to do with the fact that the number comes into the editor as float. on mobmuplat website it says that toggles and sliders accept float but on the grid section it doesn't say anything about float... it just says 'numbers'
thanks

I think all numbers in PD are floats, regardless of how they display in a number box or in the console. I sometimes get burned by round off errors, so that numbers displayed as 0 aren't actually equal to 0, but I don't think that's what's wrong in your case.

@liamorourke I think you need to raise an issue on the site...... https://github.com/monkeyswarm/MobMuPlat/issues unless you can see it already raised.
The project started in the days of "Pd Extended" and the deprecation of the MrPeach library (on the Pd side of Mobmuplat) has caused some difficulty.
[oscformat] is buried inside [pdwrapper] and so you cannot easily format a message. MrPeach took care of that behind the scenes.
Integers can be defined for [oscformat] and the wrapper could be modified.
But you need to know first whether that really is a problem.
What was your definition for the grid?
0 0 as x y for every toggle does not look like it should be correct.
David.

okay... 0 0 (x y) is just the very first toggle (top left) and then the 1 is to switch it on.

so do you mean... when mmp started it worked with all libraries in pd-extended but now it only works with vanilla?

the grid has only one row and 16 columns. but like I day I'm only trying to control the first cell for now. the name of the grid is moment0

@liamorourke mmp was always vanilla.
But on the Pd side extended was usual, and the OSC objects were I think from the MrPeach library.
This...... PdWrapper.pd will (I am pretty sure) send three integers from Pd.
Save (move) your current [pdwrapper] somewhere out of the way (temporarily) in a folder that does not have its path set in Pd...... and put the one I posted in its place. Then open your patch and see if it sends integers and if it works.
It will break the other float guis until you put the old [pdwrapper] back....... but will test for an integer problem with the grid.
Then you can post an issue and if you don't get a reply we can modify [pdwrapper] to work with all guis and make it available for others.
David..

thank you so much David. I will check it shortly and post back.

that's it David... it works with the new pdwrapper.
i've checked it with a toggle (in mmp) as well and that also works but haven't checked any other GUI objects yet.
The only issue now is that I'm getting a varying delay between pressing the toggle in pd and the GUI updating in mmp.
The pure data print out says "netsend/netreceive blocked 22 miliseconds"
the amount of miliseconds varies each time i click the toggle but it does it to some extent every time.
Thanks again

@liamorourke The saturation of netsend/netreceive might be because you have a feedback loop between Pd and Mobmuplat.
I cannot see the rest of your patch so I cannot tell if that is the case.
If you are using Mobmuplat as the primary input for data you should use a "set" message for data you send from Pd to mobmuplat so that Mobmuplat does not send the data straight back to Pd.
This evening I will make you a wrapper that will work for all the guis (but only for you in this setup).
But before that..... could you please test the original [pdwrapper] with "MMPExamples-Sequencer" here.... https://github.com/monkeyswarm/MobMuPlat/tree/master/Shared/patches
It contains a grid...... shows how to prepend the set message to the data to stop a feedback loop.... and if it works with the original [pdwrapper] then your problem was somewhere else.....
David.

I've just tried the 'set' message and it seems to work nice and smoothly now.
I'll try MMPExamples-sequencer now.
Thanks again

Okay... I've just tried MMPExamples-Sequencer.mmp with the MMPExamples-Sequencer.pd from the same folder... firstly, with the original pdwrapper. I tested all of the GUI elements as they are supposed to be used first and they all work fine. However, I then wanted to test whether data was being sent from within pd to the grid in mmp... so to test that I set up the following

[toggle]
|
[list /presetGrid 0 0 $1(
|
[send toGUI]

and it didn't work!

I then tried EXACTLY the same setup with the new pdwrapper that you edited last night and it works again. I also noticed that with the original pdwrapper the mmp console shows floats coming in and with the new pdwrapper it shows integers.

So far the other GUI controls seem to be working correctly with the new pdwrapper as well
I've tried sending data with a grid from mmp to pd (instead of the other way round) as well as sending from mmp to pd with both sliders and rotary knobs... and they are all working nicely.
Thanks again

hi again,
i think i might have ran into a problem which might be to do with what you were saying about how you had edited the pd wrapper for mobmuplat for me. You were saying that it might 'break' some of the other gui objects.

So far everything actually seems to be working fine however, when I prepend a message to the grid with the word "set" in order to block return communication, the outward message (from pd to mmp) becomes a float again. Which means that the grid doesn't recognize it. looking at the mmp console, it has actually changed the message so that it starts with /set instead of /flash so maybe it's just that i'm not prepending the message correctly. But it's strange that the last value has changed back to a float. Which was the problem before.

Also, It sort of works without the set prepend but then I get a return message every time i send one and this is causing netsend/netreceive blocked errors.

Hi there..i discovered this problem as well. When the patch is running on androiddevice everything works fine..!

When I try to put a cell to active, it will show one diagonal line highlighted, but not responding to the numbers in the message...
So I ve tried many combinations to maybe get it working..but it got worser as you can see in the screenshot..sending 5 1 0 [in]......result is [out] 5 5 1...weird..

In the task manager I see wish85.exe *32...could it cause a problem with pd 64bit?

@borelei Wish85.exe *32 is fine if you also see pd.exe *32 or pd.com *32 in the task manager.
That means you are running a 32 bit version of Pd.
For a 64-bit Pd you would see pd.exe and wish86.exe.
It looks like for you mobmuplat is receiving floats just fine...... but they have commas like 1,000
That is weird..... or are they decimal points like 1.000....... hard to see on the screenshot.

@liamorourke I have an idea for a fix which will mean you can send [pdwrapper] a formatting message from the pd patch for each change of message type. I will upload it here asap.
I will then try to automate it but I am not sure it's possible given the various messages that can be sent.
I need to look at why there is an extra float going to the grid and how the /flash command is supposed to work...... so I need to do a fair bit of research in the examples on the Mobmuplat github.
CAN you post a link to where the "flash" is documented please?
I thought feedback was causing the network errors. It is good to know that is the cause.

If you could both zip up and upload your complete pd patch to this thread that would be useful for testing.... even though I cannot do a complete test with an Android device.
David

hi David... thanks for getting back to me. When you open my patch you will find that everything to do with messages being sent to MMP are in the supatch called [pd tempoGUI]

I have marked everything up in that subpatch and have commented as much as i can to make things easier for you.

the pdwrapper I have supplied in the zip is the newer version that you already did some editing on.

Thank you very much again for your help

mmpTest.zip

oh and finally... /flash is just the address I have given to the grid.

@liamorourke Ok.
So the [list prepend set] should be before [list prepend /flash] so that the message becomes.....
[/flash set x x x (
It might still not work though because of the format I set in [pdWrapper]
Let me know.
This will definitely*?* work though (for /flash)......... mmptest.zip

I have just spotted another error in the original [pdwrapper] ........ and another.......so I will upload some zips for testing when I get a moment to make them.
David.

@whale-av thank you... I will have look and reorder the message shortly and let you know how I get along.

okay with the patch left exactly as you've sent it I'm getting: -

oscformat: no method for 'sliii'
in the pd console

and I'm only getting the button 'off' messages: -

[in] /flash 15 0 0
[out] /flash 15 0 0

etc. in the mmp console.

thanks