Can someone point me in the right direction for how to create neat colourful GUIs for Pd instruments? I've only been working with sound so far and I find trying to set up sliders and toggles etc. in the parent window of a patch seems quite clumsy - the various sliders and number boxes end up on top of each other and being obscured by other objects.

Should I be using GEM or some other external to make things easier?

Do you mean stuff like this?

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/domien-studio1.png

ha ha ha. i'd like my eyesight back now please!

looks like a full on set up you have there domien.

brett. what version of pd are you using? the 'graph on parent' function changed with 0.39 (i think). anyway, it is much easier to use now.

I'm on 0.38.4 I'll try installing 0.39 then, thanks!

yeah in the new version, graph on parent just gives a red box on the patch canvas, and you can put your sliders and gui objects in that. much simpler.